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Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:19:00 -
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I don't think Gallente will get the medal because they didn't hold the systems for one week.  |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:33:00 -
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RavenTesio wrote:Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal..
Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours?
Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust? |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:07:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:ground ctrl wrote:RavenTesio wrote:Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal.. Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours? Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust? We had all systems for more than 24 hours regardless of which measure you use.
Then Gallente should get a medal.
Except XG, because he doesn't want one.
CCP should also make this medal (and other medals/happy horseshit for other achievments) a feature of the game.
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ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.15 16:35:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one.  Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone. There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it. We did fight tooth and nail with the first set of changes and we lost many systems in the beginning, but that was soon turned around and Caldari once again took control of the war front despite Gals best efforts. After that it was just controlled farming.. Gals were never really in control of that and they only made it to tier V one time compared to several 4's & 5 's that Caldari hit. Timing is the only thing that left Gals in control by the famous surprise patch, despite the fact that Gals had Minmatar farmers on their side and much stronger corps.
Much reinventing of history. Amarr got run over at the front because ccp took an activity that never had any consequences (plexing) and suddenly said you will be locked out based on it. It just so happened that Amarr had fewer systems at the time due primarily to the work of one minmatar - sasawong.
At first amarr responded by trying to plex back systems but after a few nights of plexing for hours only to find no more plexes would respawn due to a bug/exploit we realized that wouldn't work. So we begged ccp to fix the bugs and give us some time to plex some systems back bug free. They refused to fix the bugs before locking us out.
So in the critical time leading up to inferno amarr corps were either dropping from amarr (so they would be able to access their stuff) or moving their stuff while the minmatar were plexing. There were some epic fights in kourm and kamela but large parts of the Amarr militia had to spend substantial parts of that key time moving stuff out of the warzone. Given that we were outnumbered even if at full strength the results should not be too surprising.
Why was it critical right before inferno? Well each plex counted for 5xs as much vp before inferno than they did after. This doesn't even address the fact that minmatar could always capture all size plexes in gunless frigates and amarr had to wait a few months after inferno for that favor.
That said there were bad decisions made by amarr as well. People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:57:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:ground ctrl wrote:
Much reinventing of history. Amarr got run over at the front because ccp took an activity that never had any consequences (plexing) and suddenly said you will be locked out based on it. It just so happened that Amarr had fewer systems at the time due primarily to the work of one minmatar - sasawong.
At first amarr responded by trying to plex back systems but after a few nights of plexing for hours only to find no more plexes would respawn due to a bug/exploit we realized that wouldn't work. So we begged ccp to fix the bugs and give us some time to plex some systems back bug free. They refused to fix the bugs before locking us out.
So in the critical time leading up to inferno amarr corps were either dropping from amarr (so they would be able to access their stuff) or moving their stuff while the minmatar were plexing. There were some epic fights in kourm and kamela but large parts of the Amarr militia had to spend substantial parts of that key time moving stuff out of the warzone. Given that we were outnumbered even if at full strength the results should not be too surprising.
Why was it critical right before inferno? Well each plex counted for 5xs as much vp before inferno than they did after. This doesn't even address the fact that minmatar could always capture all size plexes in gunless frigates and amarr had to wait a few months after inferno for that favor.
That said there were bad decisions made by amarr as well. People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.
I didn't reinvent history, I simply stated what I saw. I said Amarr choose not to fight and try to push back at the start. This was true and maybe you have your reasons but end result is you guys didn't really fight for Sov at the start and that's what set you back the most. .
As I recall Kourm and Kamela were the 2 systems that had more fighting than anywhere else in eve. I believe they are in the amarr minmatar front not caldari gallente space. Amarr fought.
Its just that we were hamstrung by starting the patch with 15% to 85% warzone breakdown. As such many of us had to spend a considerable amount of time moving our assets as well as plexing and many corps decided to just drop from militia altogether.
Moreover we had the bugs which prevented plexes from spawning. This naturally effected amarr more than other militias because amarr needed plexes to spawn more than any other militia. I won't repeat all I said above.
As for the history of what happened in the gallente caldari front I have no reason to dispute what you say.
The strength of the minmatar farm alts was demonstrated by a blog written by Susan Black. She ironically intended to show that the minmatar farmers had little impact. But she failed to realize that the vp of minmatar plexing in caldari space was not recorded. So what we saw was after amarr hit tier 4 and flipped all those systems the minmatar vp immediately shot through the roof as the minmafarm came back home to metro. In fact it was shortly after that turn of events that the caldari was able to do a tier 5 cashout because they were freed from the minmifarm yoke.
The farming was no doubt horrible. But there is no question that the tier cashouts provided a decent midterm goals that all the militias could strive for. Accomplishing them took strategy and organization to accomplish. I know caldari had to deal with allot of minmatar alts farming systems. Now its just a forever grind with no real goals. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.16 10:19:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:ground ctrl wrote: People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc. After flying in that area for a bit now and occasionally with/around/near Cynthia - I believe Cynthia Nezmor works very hard for the Amarr Militia. Without the dplexing Cynthia does the minmatards would creep further toward many Amarr home systems. Everyone there should be thankful for the effort Cynthia, DCM and the various types of flying pockets do as without them you would all be locked out of lowsec already.
Shortly before inferno hit I moved most of my stuff to egg. So I won't get locked out of low sec.
I stopped caring about sov once I realized that ccp was going to let it remain a race to see who can pve more. I don't care to prove I or amarr can out pve the minmatar. For all I care Cynthia can stop his dplexing and let minmatar farm away all the systems. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.16 17:14:00 -
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Awesome medals ccp. Thank you. They look great. |
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